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Mark Hoffman

Thanks for pointing out the obvious flaw in the "ticking bomb" scenario, RJ. I keep hearing reporters dredge up this hypothetical as if it's a common occurrence, when in fact it could never happen in the real world. Here's what Hillary should've said, and how the colloquy might've played out then:

Reporter: "You've captured a terrorist who knows where a nuclear bomb is hidden that's going to go off in New York City in one hour. Would you be willing to torture the terrorist to find out where the bomb is hidden?"

Hillary: "How do you know this so-called 'terrorist' hid a bomb? Did you see them hide it? No? The only way absolutely to KNOW that this person hid a bomb is if you saw them hide it. Otherwise, you're guessing, aren't you? So how do you know this person hid a bomb?"

Reporter: "Uh, well, you had great intelligence from someone who said that the guy hid a bomb. Your source has always been right before."

Hillary: "OK, did your source see this person hide the bomb? If so, why won't your source tell you where the bomb is? If your source didn't see this person hide it, then your source is telling you something they heard from a second source. So why won't the second source tell your first source where the bomb is? Why do you believe either of them, and why are you so eager to torture someone based on guesses, hunches, and second- or third- or fourth-hand information that you can't verify?"

As you point out, the "ticking bomb" scenario, so beloved by torture apologists, conveniently assumes what you're actually trying to prove--that you know that someone you've captured knows where a ticking bomb is hidden. This never happens in the real world, and it doesn't even get into the other problem you mention--that someone being tortured will say anything, true or not, to stop the pain.

I'm amazed that anyone who thinks about this "ticking bomb" scenario logically can take it seriously. It's bullshit, and I'm astounded that Hillary Clinton doesn't know that. This does not speak well for her decision-making abilities.

Keep up the good work!

Mark Hoffman
Bainbridge Island, WA

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