As always, I enjoyed talking with my friend Rick Smith, whose labor-themed radio show in Pennsylvania (Harrisburg area) is "where working people come to talk."
Rick grew up in a part of Cleveland that had to be a lot like my home town of Utica, in a kind of blue-collar America that will die if we don't do something about it. It was rough in those towns sometimes, but it was real.
We were talking about my piece on The Nihilist Party: Republicans Who Believe in Nothing. Rick digressed a couple times and surprised me, as you'll hear - but that's part of the fun, right?